“To create, if you want to”

Participation of all should be more than just a buzzword. Erika fischer from the inclusion department at the university of bamberg explains in an interview how this can succeed and what is needed to make it happen.

A few success stories here, a lot of problems there: can inclusion be achieved??

Erika fischer: inclusion can be achieved if you want to achieve it on the one hand and if you know what you can do to achieve it on the other hand.


The basic idea for successful inclusion is the attitude that the diversity of people is normal. However, very few have grown up with this basic idea. We have all grown up with separation, classification and standardization from the very beginning. It is a basic principle of perception and associative learning to assign certain characteristics and to divide them into groups. It is a survival pattern even for infants to recognize and distinguish differences between the various caregivers. This difference is automatically associated with different expectations and evaluations of people.

What does that make us?

In later life, children get to know other classifications. In their linguistic development, they learn that behind every word they learn, there are numerous conceptual boundaries and correspondences. Which foods belong to the vegetable or fruit group?. This addition or. You will experience not belonging later at your own body. Based on the assessments they have received, they belong to the group of gymnasium or realschule students. They experience a standardization, classification and separation, which imply social evaluations.

What problems do you see?

If these neutral affiliations are connected with evaluations, the danger of a higher position arises and thus also the need to belong to the better category. The basis of discrimination is thus laid. If we perceive the diversity of people, regardless of religious, socio-cultural, ethnic origin, regardless of different orientations, as normal, then the principle of equality is given.

Inclusion should work in all areas of society – sports, school, work. Where is the progress, where is there still a lack of progress??

Inclusion is very complex, both in terms of the diversity of the people concerned and in terms of the respective social framework. Even if you only focus on the inclusive aspect of disability, there are 10.8 million people in germany who have individual needs and lifestyles. 20 percent of these people are between 18 and 44 years of age. Of these, 18 percent have no school-leaving qualifications.

What does it mean for those affected??

The limping inclusive measures in the school education sector have a particular impact on the performance-oriented professional world. People who do not have full, effective and equal participation in the professional world are in particular need of barrier-free recreational activities. Social contact, the possibility of a feeling of equality can make sports activities with non-disabled people possible.

What would have to change to pave the way for the success of inclusion??

For this, the contact with people with disabilities should become a normality. There should continue to be special sports clubs, competitions for these people. But opening up the clubs close to home makes it possible to meet athletes from the neighborhood in an informal way. For this, the barriers in the heads and in the wallets would have to be lifted. Cost-neutral inclusion is at the expense of people with disabilities.

The questions asked Stephan grobmann